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race, john. what are you hearing from people in the various camps? >> if you check in with the campaigns, the romney people, i'm not going to say they're predicting victory, but they are confident, because they're looking county by county, precinct by precinct, as we are, they are reasonably confident they will eke this one out because of what we were talking about earlier. the votes that are left out in places with a bit more population. now, that's contingent, that's contingent on what we're seeing in the center of the stay, the smaller conservative counties of santorum and paul. so we'll see how this plays out. but all of the campaigns are y saying, well, we see in this in that county, this in that county. they're in the same boat we are. >> and for the perry campaign, for the bachmann campaign, do you have to have soul searching tonight? >> oh, absolutely. i think you have some soul searching -- >> you stay in? >> for michele bachmann, i think she's the one we really ought to be talking about here. because she's not going to have the money to continue. she won the straw poll in ames in august. she's doing --
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>> that was a lifetime ago. >> that was a lifetime ago. but, you know, she made a big point, if she was born in iowa, this was going to be her state. this was going to be -- >> so you think she might drop out or, given her money situation? >> soul searching is what you -- i think, yes. >> and if you're rick perry, what justification do you have for going forward? just because you've got money in the bank? >> the justification of going forward, i talked to rick perry today. he said he's the only conservative who can mount a national effort, fund-raising effort, against mitt romney. can he make that case after tonight? harder, but we'll see what happens with santorum. see how santorum performs in new hampshire. perry's not going to new hampshire. perry's going to south carolina. southern governor, conservative, a tea party message. look, he understands, he blew it in the early debates. the voters in iowa never forgave him for those gaffes. he's going to try one more time in south carolina. he insists no matter what the number is tonight, he'll fight in south carolina. but when he goes back to his donors, can he say, give me one more chance? i need enough resources to fight
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it out in south carolina. he's been governor of a big state for ten years, he can probably raise enough money to have a credible effort in south carolina. >> anderson, what's so interesting about iowa is it's so much about the media interpretations. you know, we're actually not talking about very many votes. we've got people up on the board that have each got less than 8,000 votes and this is a national vote. >> high school president. >> it's all about interpretation. ening at the end of the day, it really does matter what the order is of these three. it's not just that they're bunched, but if romney comes out number one, i think that really helps him on the interpretation game, whereas if he were to come out number three, he would be hurt. >> and the particular piece involved by santorum and paul, who lots of people believe will not be able to mount a national campaign. >> four years ago, the day after iowa, the trap door opened under mitt romney in new hampshire. just like a trap door. he underperformed in iowa and it happened like that. and john mccain came back and won the state. that's what we'll see. i believe cnn will have a flash
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poll tonight in new hampshire. we'll see what those numbers show. see over the next two or three days what those numbers show. if romney comes out of this in a way that does not weaken him in new hampshire, he becomes the prohibitive favorite. that doesn't mean -- a lot of people you see out in the twitt twitterverse, this is about delegates, it could go on for months. then it's about momentum. >> look four years ago in iowa, 7% of the voters said electability was what mattered. tonight it's 48%. and you see that those people, that's what's going for mitt romney. the pragmatism and the practicality. >> and our candy crowley is standing by with donna brazile and also mary matalin. candy, you've talked to gingrich throughout this campaign. he, certainly, if he does come in fourth, as of right now he's in fourth, would continue. >> reporter: i think gingrich is in for another couple of weeks, at least if you listen to him. let me just first say, between the two of you, we've decided we've got six decades of
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experience here in iowa. you know what it's like to be sitting in that room with a winner or a possible loser and trying to make that calculation. what goes into this? should we move forward or should we stop here? >> there's no question, it's money. if you come out of the caucuses tonight and one of the first top three places, clearly, you want the candidate to go on. you're already looking ahead. and in my case, and i'm sure like mary, my role was to deploy staff to the next two, three states and, if you can't succeed tonight, you're bringing them to tennessee, you're bringing them to south carolina, but if you do poorly tonight, you're going to bring them back home and try to close the campaign down. >> reporter: did you ever find -- did you ever lose her here? >> i lost the state in 1980, lee atwater fired me three times and george h.w. bush called me the next morning, he said, get on a
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plane, you're unfired. this is up and down the state. but we've been debating this cycle about how much does organization count, how much does soishl media count? where these results are right now, they're between 100, 200. that's where organization comes in. and that's what we did. we'd be focused on sitting in those caucuses going, we didn't turn out 20 voters here. >> reporter: mary matalin, donna brazile, we'll be back with you. but right now we want to throw it back to wolf. >> thanks very much, candy. we've got more official votes in. almost half of the precincts have now reported, 46%. and all of a sudden rick santorum is slightly atop the field with 24%. he's 162 votes ahead of mitt romney, 12,417 for rick santorum, 12,255 for mitt romney. ron paul is now third, 22%, 11,238. newt gingrich, look at this, a distant fourth, only 6,788 votes, 13%. if we move to the bottom three, you see rick perry with just more than 5,000 votes, 10%.
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almost 3,000 votes for michele bachmann, 6%. 300 or so votes for jon huntsman. but rick santorum, all of a sudden, with almost half of the precincts reporting, slightly ahead. only 162 votes, only 162 votes ahead of mitt romney. it's still a three-man race. still 54% of the precincts remaining outstanding. jim acosta is over at rick santorum headquarters. let's talk to him a little bit. i guess the folks over there, they're pretty happy, at least, right now. a lot of them have come back from the caucuses, right, jim? >> reporter: that's right. they're very happy right now, wolf. they're starting to fill in behind me, and it's just sort of extraordinary to note what you were talking about just a few moments ago. the fact that rick santorum, somebody who has not really had much of a budget to work with. i mean, he's been on a shoestring budget, crisscrossing the state in a pickup truck, you know, that is really the pickup truck that belongs to one of his own supporters. it's not even his pickup truck.
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but he has been crisscrossing the state and doing quite well tonight, despite the fact that he's been outgunned by all of his rivals here in iowa. i'm joined now by one of his big surrogates here in the state, jim bob duggar, you're actually from arkansas, but the star of the tlc reality show "19 and counting," and that refers to your 19 kids. they're not all here in iowa. >> we've got 12 of our 19 children here, and we came up here to help rick. he's a great man. he's consistently voted for lower taxes and less government. he's just a great guy. and we are just 100 behind him and we're asking all the different conservatives, the people that are looking for a family values candidate to consolidate behind him. >> reporter: and you were a mike huckabee supporter back in '08? >> i was here four years ago in iowa, to help mike huckabee, and we really think a lot of him. and i guess it's a -- >> reporter: i notice that a lot of the huckabee forces have come
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out to support rick santorum this time around. so some of that huckabee wave is perhaps going in his direction tonight. i would just ask real quick, jeremy masterson, i talked to you about this a little while ago, another santorum supporter, you were picking up on this, the fact that he's been to all of these counties. that means something to you as an iowan. >> it does. it means he's more -- he's not about the polls, he's about the people. and it's about taking the time to go around and talk to the people and find out what's really important. and not only that, but sticking to the conservative values, like he says. you know, we shouldn't settle on a candidate, but really choose one that represents the best value and i agree with -- i'm sorry -- >> reporter: with jim bob there. >> yeah, and just the fact that he is about family values. he's been supported by jim bob, sarah palin, a lot of people that stand for a lot of good conservative values. >> reporter: i've been hearing that time and time again
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tonight, wolf, that family values is driving a lot of the support for rick santorum. consider the fact that he's doing this with very few resources. this might go back to the, you know, that old strategy for winning in iowa, that grassroots is what really matters here in order to win this state. that tv advertising, big budgets, big buses with your name plastered across it, that doesn't always mean everything in this state, wolf. >> he worked the hardest. there's no doubt about that in iowa. he was the first to visit all 99 counties and spent an enormous amount of time with limited resources there. let's go to anderson cooper and ali velshi. they're monitoring social media. what do you see? >> we're talking about where the biggest buzz is online. >> at the risk of sounding like a big nerd, i've been following this very close my. >> wouldn't be the first time, ali. >> i hear you. we're bogging down, actually. we're getting 14,000 to 15,000 tweets per hour that are naming one of the candidates. the colors here correspond to
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various candidates. all night and most of the day, with the exception of a few minutes, ron paul has been on the top. this is the total number of tweets in the last hour that have named ron paul. so you can see, almost 5,000 there. mitt romney in the number two spot, santorum in the number three spot. that's remained relatively consistent, but the only thing that's been for sure is mitt romney -- is ron paul right at the top. this is not iowa, this is everything in the twitterverse. rick perry's been sort of fighting for that fourth place. even jon huntsman is above newt gingrich and michele bachmann in terms of sentiment that they're getting online. so this is kind of interesting that it's bogging us down. these are more than our server provider expected. these are going through big servers and there are just a lot of people talking about these candidates. now, i will tell you, it's not all positive. it's positive, it's negative, it's a whole bunch of sentiment. all of these green dots are tweets that are from these places that are positive, that mention the candidate. all of the grey ones are neutral. we can't determine whether they're positive or negative. the red ones are absolutely negative.
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you can see, there aren't a whole lot of negative tweets out there right now. these are people talking about their candidates or mentioning what's going on. everything you're seeing that's white, there's so many things going on that you can't see. you can see in iowa, they're piled up on each other, that's why you're seeing white dots. there are a whole bunch more people than those in iowa that are interested in what's going on today. >> ali, thanks very much. our coverage continues. the votes still being counted in some places. we continue to get new numbers in. we'll be right back and have more numbers for you. this new at&t 4g lte is fast.
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and ron paul, restore america now. we're going to hear from all of these candidates, stand by. let me show you the vote count, the official vote count right now as it stands. these are not entrance poll numbers, these are the official numbers. 48% of the precincts have reported. rick santorum is now 328 votes ahead of mitt romney. they both have 24%. 13,339 for rick santorum, 13,011 for mitt romney, ron paul slightly behind with 22%, 11,972. newt gingrich at 13%, 7,248. he was really hurt by all those negative ads that were pummeled against him over these past several weeks in iowa. rick perry is at 10% if you take a look over there, the bottom three. michele bachmann at 6% and jon huntsman only 1%. big, big night. you know, rick santorum, anderson, you think about it, rick santorum -- well, we had
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our cnn/"time" magazine poll that came out last -- that was the first real indication, that was only a week or so ago, that he was doing amazingly well, out of the blue, seemingly. >> and then it was this four-day "des moines register" poll, which really tracked it over the course of those four days. early on in the poll, he was getting below 15%. the last two days of the poll, pollsters were finding he was getting above 22, 23%. >> normally iowa is the first act. it was not this cycle. the debates were the first act. and iowa, unlike in past campaigns, unlike that last debate a couple weeks ago, iowa kept tracking the national polls. normally you would have a national poll, go back four years, eight years, 20 years, the iowa polls tracked the national polls all through the debate season. then the debates stopped. and iowa was fought the old-fashioned way, retail politics. and whether you support rick santorum or not, you have to give credit to the candidate with the least money, did it the old-fashioned way, spending his own life savings out there,
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doesn't have a lot of money. of all these candidates, he does not have a lot of money and he did it the old-fashioned way. i went out three different times to see him. and in november, you could begin to pick it up that the grassroots activists, the christian conservatives were saying, you know what, this guy's really trying. and another point, ron paul and rick santorum, after herman cain left the race, a lot of the grassroots activists who don't like politicians, who don't trust politicians, who think they're all, forgive me, liars, say these guys are authentic. >> and he became a positive candidate. you know, i remember when he was running for the senate and he lost that race. he became kind of a negative candidate at a very tough time. in this particular race, the higher he went in the polls, the more positive he became, he found that little sweater vest, which has become a trademark. and he -- and this evening, what we're seeing in these entrance polls is that he does well with women, he does well with values voters, and that's an important constituency in iowa. >> and timing is everything,
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though. can he sustain it now when he moves on as a serious candidate? they'll say he was big for earmarks when he was in congress. the tea party doesn't like that. he voted for the medicare prescription drug benefit. the tea party views that as a big entitlement. he peaked at the right time, before anybody could turn their fire on him. all these other guys who peaked, then they got the target -- >> no more debates. no more tdebates, right? >> well, there's one in new hampshire on saturday. >> but he won't be at the edge of the debate anymore. he'll be at the center. >> you town support for ron paul, one thing he likes to tout is his support among active duty military personnel. he says he receives in terms of donations twice as much as others. we lost the satellite link, the soldier dana bank was talking to, which i'm sure a lot of people think was a big conspiracy, but that's one thing
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people have attacked him for. >> within the military itself, you find a lot of people who feel that both the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan has been badly executed. it's not unlike vietnam. there were a lot of people who came home from vietnam who were really angry about the way it was executed. and a fair number of those people are among -- are military people saying, bring them home. you know, this isn't working, let's come home. it's interesting. we have this monolithic view of the military, as you know, they're very different when you actually talk to them. >> anderson, we were talking too about whether rick santorum or ron paul had the same power in the establishment. i was talking about our strike team, how they seemed to believe that both of them would. but when it comes to ron paul specifically, bill gross said, specifically, the reason that he would support him was cutting the deficit, but because he's pulling troops out, and listing all the different places. and of the other major investors, major ceos who see merit in ron paul, yeah, they think, getting rid of the fed, that's a quote/unquote crazy idea, some of them would say. but they really believe in his cutting the deficit and
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pro-capitalism, and there is a mainstream, or shall we call establishment group that would support him. or support rick santorum. >> we're getting some new numbers. let me go to the vote board. 49% of the precincts have now reported, almost half. and look at this. rick santorum establishing a lead of 350 votes ahead of morm morm, 13,501 to 13,151. they're both at 24%. ron paul, not very far behind, 12,146, at 22%. newt gingrich, a different fourth with 13%, 7,368. rick perry, only 10%, 5,600 votes. michele bachmann, 6%, very disappointing night for michele bachmann. she was born in iowa, raised in iowa, represents a district in minnesota that's right next door. unfortunately for her, she's not doing very well in these caucuses. jon huntsman didn't really campaign. he's going full speed ahead in new hampshire. we'll see how he does a week
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from today in new hampshire. anderson, it's still way, way too close to call -- oh, there you are, over there. >> i keep moving around here. very dynamic night here. the map is starting to populate in terms of the population centers. what are we seeing now? >> what we're seeing is, a, more of the counties filling in. this part of the state is very important. again, the split. four years ago, this was mike huckabee country. one county for romney, country county for romney here. this is your tea party evangelical vote. mike huckabee took it all four years ago. we've got a split. the lighter pink is ron paul, the dark red is mitt romney, the purple is rick santorum. we have a three-way race here. earlier i told you michele bachmann was winning one county. that was this county up here, howard county. rick santorum now has the lead there with 80% of the vote counted. michele bachmann is on track right now to not even win one iowa county. newt gingrich is carrying this county up here right now, 50% of the vote in. but as you can see, pretty close. we'll watch the vote come in. anderson, right now, almost half of the precincts counted.
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you've got this tiny lead. we'll watch this play out. when you have such a big race, you have to focus on the big population centers. by iowa standards, that means here, polk county. only 30% of the vote counted right here, ron paul is winning, but by the tie nest margin, mitt romney not that far behind. this is where the most votes are still outstanding tonight, in the center of the state, by the state capital. duh buick, about 44% of the vote counted. one of the things we'll do throughout the night, romney tonight, match it up to romney four years ago. he had 42% there four years ago, just 33% now. he neds eds to continue to lead this county if he wants to pull this one out. another population center, davenport and cedar rapids here. here is our biggest question still remaining tonight. in the western part of the state, look at the open areas right here. this is a very conservative part of the state, and right here, these are mostly small counties, half a percent, 1 percent of the vote. but right here, where sioux city
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is, woodbury county, 3.5% of the population. you watch the western part fill in, if the margins stay the same, and all these counties here, we're at 46%, if the margins stay roughly the same in this part of the state, it is the conservative western part of the state that could well settle this race, anderson. we're watching the math come in. it is just a fascinating time. and as you look at the colors, we had a two-way race four years ago, a three-way race now. we're going to be at this a while. >> just a couple hundred votes right now separating the top three. let's check in with alex castellanos, and also erick erickson. they're at santorum headquarters. it looks a lot more crowded. looks like a lot more excitement there or energy there since last time we've talked. they've got to be excited about what they're seeing in the polls, and clearly waiting for some of those votes still to come in from the northwestern part of the state, from sioux city and elsewhere. >> yeah, finally voters are starting to outnumber media here. so you can see a little bit of excitement.
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but there's a lot of good news here for rorp rorm, for example, it appears he's doing well enough that he'll get attacked by mitt romney next week in south carolina. it appears ron paul has done well enough that he's going to get to attack everybody everywhere next week. so we've got a tough three-front war here that has broken out in iowa tonight. and one thing i think we're learning is that that big turnout that m ares were hoping for, were hoping to send a message to president obama that, hey, republicans are motivated. we may not get that tonight. it looks like this is going to be a turnout somewhere on the level of the last election for republicans. so it's like going to the movies. nobody says, hey, i want to go to the movies tonight, i just don't know which movie i want to see. that large undecided vote is going to give us, i think, less turnout than the 150,000 people had hoped for. >> erick, we heard a lot of angry rhetoric today on the campaign trail, santorum calling
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ron paul disgusting, newt gingrich calling romney a liar. do you think, to alex's point, that that tough rhetoric continues now and just amplifies in the days ahead? or do they take a step back somehow? >> yeah, absolutely. i think it continues. i think they get into south carolina now. forget new hampshire. they go to south carolina and it gets uglier. and south carolina is always ugly. let's not forget what happened to nikki haley when she ran two years ago. south carolina is historically ugly. it's going to be real ugly. but there's a sense of blood in the water from a lot of conservative activists tonight, online and offline, that mitt romney spent a lot of money in 2008, he spent a lot of money this time and he hasn't really moved his number. if anything, it's gone down a little bit. conservative activists are thinking, maybe now people will realize, this isn't the guy we want. they're just not sure that santorum is the way we want to go to. >> erick, you've been tough on santorum over the last couple of weeks, reading your tweets. what do you make of his numbers tonight and what does this mean
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movieing forward? >> it means he was the last man standing after all the other candidates were vetted. i think what's happening with ron paul tonight, because of iowa in general, the way it's turned, everyone in south carolina is probably going to get another look. i'm not sure that they're going to be ready for it. i'm not sure they're going to have money. does rick perry have money after spending so much in iowa? does gingrich have money? santorum doesn't have the money yet, but it will start flowing in. will he be able to use it wisely? south carolina's going to be very, very fun this political season. >> and anderson, even though mitt romney didn't get the numbers ton that i think some people expected, and they did raise expectations here at the end of this campaign, he'd still tell you looking at this field that republicans at the end of the day are probably not going to nominate a ron paul, and it's going to be very tough for a rick santorum to bring the entire party together. you know, there was an early survey when it was just mitt romney and rick perry. >> right.
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>> almost forgot, talking about rick perry there. it was an early survey, just the two of them, when perry was at his peak and running well, it was 54 romney/39 perry. republicans are willing to go to mitt romney, it's just more of an arranged marriage than love. >> the romney feeling has got to be the big story out of iowa. >> we're going to check back in with you guys, erick erickson and alex castellanos at rick santorum headquarters. we're learning more about how the race in the months ahead tonight. again, more votes coming in. we'll continue to follow it. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] why do we grow quaker oats? because there are mountains to climb. ♪ dreams to be realized. ♪ new worlds to be explored and hearts to be won. quaker oats. energy to get you going, fiber to help fill you up
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let me update you right now on what's going on. we've got official numbers, almost half of the precincts have reported, 49%, and rick santorum is ahead, by 390 votes, ahead of mitt romney, 13,594 to 13,204. they both have 24%. ron paul's almost up there with 12,205, 22%. newt gingrich, only 13%. rick perry, 10%. michele bachmann, 6%. jon huntsman, only 1%.
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i want to check in with jessica yellin. she's in des moines watching what's going on. she's our chief white house correspondent. you know, even while the republicans had their caucuses, the democrats had some caucuses as well, even though no one is challenging president obama. >> reporter: they do, wolf, have their own caucuses, because this will be a swing state that the president will fight hard to win in november, but in chicago and then the white house, no doubt, they're watching what happens here tonight. and these results, already, are results that could put a smile on the president's teams' faces. the people i talk to, my sources, expect that mitt romney will ultimately be the nominee. they expect that mitt romney, in the end, will be the person that the president will face in the general election. and so far, what we're seeing in these results say to them that mitt romney, in their view, is a weak candidate. that it will be a protracted
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primary battle for him, because these are results, in their view, that can't make him win with quickly. that there's too much of a divided support, as you've heard, from so many of the people already. and that, really, if he were going to somehow pull ahead, he needed at least, say, around 45% support tonight. so what they think they're looking at is a more drawn-out battle, which is just fine with them, because, of course, an incumbent president wants to sit in the white house and wait as long as he can before he faces a challenger. the other thing they're going to be looking at, wolf, though, is turnout tonight. and remember, the republicans got 120,000 people out to the caucuses last time around. the democrats got 240,000 people out to those caucuses that made president obama leap to the front of the pack. they want to see if republicans, in this cycle, can turn 240,000 or break that 200,000 number and get that kind of enthusiasm this year. so they'll be looking to see how big the turnout is at these
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caucuses. >> you're absolutely right, jessica, because that will underscore enthusiasm, how many republicans actually show up at these caucuses. stand by for a moment. i want to go over to john king. you're looking at these numbers, and jessica makes a pretty good point. we heard from a lot of republican leaders like the governor, there would be a big turnout. are we seeing that? >> i love this tonight, because we're getting the first votes of the 2012 cycle. we're also getting our first case of the serious spin cycle, if you will. there was no way mitt romney was ever going to get 45%, but don't blame the obama people spinning, well, he needs 45%, that's what happens. what will happen tonight? it's hard to guess. 52% of the precincts -- this is a precinct number, not the votes counted right here. when you add all this up, you'll get a ballpark of about 60,000 vote. when you double that, precincts, you get 120,000. we can't say that. some of these precincts will be 20 people, some of these
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precincts will be hundreds of people. if you're looking at this, you could guess they're roughly on track to match what happened four years ago in the 120, 118,000 range. but jessica does make an important point. have been even republicans say the intensity gap early on, they want to see that the tea party enthusiasm of 2010 carries over to 2012. so we want to see that number at the the end. that isn't it. but wolf, when you watch this, you see a slight santorum lead. there's a couple things you look for the dynamics. four years ago, we had a two-man race. look at now, you have a three-man race. newt gingrich is winning run county. one of the big stories tonight, regardless of how we end up in the end, ron paul won one county. we don't have the results from that county yet, a tiny county, but look at all that orange of pink, ron paul has spread the map tonight, including over here, in a very important part of the state. watch this year. watch this line i'm drawing. you see ron paul, see a little rick santorum just to the west
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of where i drew the line. that's mitt romney there. why does that matter? you do a then and now. four years ago, that was romney country. that was it. he came in second in the state, a disappointing second, to michele bachmann, but he carried this area very strongly. he's struggling a bit there tonight. that's an indication that romney's having a harder time. now let's come back to 2012, again, and look at the map. this to me is still the biggest impact of the night. we're missing the votes out here in the western part of the state. woodbury county, where sioux city is, 3.5% of the population. some of these counties have a lot of democrats. you say, oh, it's 5% of the population, but you know it's a democratic county. this is conservative republican country. we don't have any votes yet. four years ago, mitt romney carried it by a pretty good margin, 15%, over mike huckabee. not that many votes four years ago. is the turnout up in this conservative area? when you come back to 2012, this is the area of the state that if it states this close, as we get out to the west, now especially
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that we're filling in these smaller rural counties. marshall county, we're waiting for that. that's actually a relatively large county when you get into this part of the state, 1.4%. webster county, we're waiting for that. this is key. if rick santorum going to pull it out, he needs to turn the rest of the map purple. if romney's going to pull this out, he needs to improve their standings as they start counting the votes. romney is ahead here. if he keeps that margin when the rest of this comes in, it is one of the larger population centers in the state. he could make up the votes in places like this. but, wolf, we're up to 54%. the pace is starting to pick up. we'll keep up with the math. >> let me go back to the wall and take a closer look at these numbers right now. more than half of the precincts reporting, 54%. and rick santorum, the former senator from pennsylvania maintaining a slight lead over mitt romney by 401 votes, 14,606 to 14,205. ron paul third, not that far
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behind, 13,145. newt gingrich, a distant fourth, only 13%, 8,081. let's take a look at the bottom three right now. still in the bottom three, rick perry, only 10%. 6,200 votes. michele bachmann, very disappointing, 6%. 3,359, and jon huntsman, 1%, 324 votes. 54% of the actual vote is now in in iowa and rick santorum, anderson, is still ahead. so it's a pretty good night for rick santorum. no matter what happens, when the 46% of the precincts, that still haven't reported come in. >> it certainly is. ari fleischer, last night on my program, you protected that rick santorum was actually going to win. >> yeah, i just had a feeling. when you look at iowa and you talk to people in iowa, even though he doesn't have a good organization, you can feel a shift and the anne-romney vote was segmenting towards him. this is what's next for rick santorum, this is going to break his back. all of a sudden now with no time and no staff, he has to raise a
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ton of money, withstand a ton of attacks, hire staff, and meanwhile, every week, there's another race, almost. it's going to be very hard for rick santorum to really pick this up and take advantage of it. the burden on a candidate now is massive. and he doesn't have an infrastructure. >> james, as a democratic strategist, how does the obama white house view this race tonight? >> well, look, a broken clock is right twice a day. political spin can be right about that often. the spin at the white house is happy is absolutely true. what jessica said, it's undisputable. for this night, i don't know what it means pb but you look at these results, with the way the turnout looks, with the way that romney looks as being the eventual nominee, they couldn't be happier. >> because the field is divide request ed? >> the field is divided. 150,000 people showing up, probably won't happen. but this is not going to blow anybody's moiind in terms of turnout. romney may end up winning, who knows as davenport comes in, but
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it's not going to be a very impressive performance. everybody's going to go on to fight another day. and everybody might accuse me of being a white house lackey, but these guys are justifiably happy tonight. >> i've got to push back a little bit, ari, i love your tie, but a couple things push me wrong there. if you are rick santorum, south carolina, january 21st, florida, january 31st, nevada, february 4th. you look at the poll numbers, how well mitt romney is doing in new hampshire. clearly, you want to focus and put out your economic message when it comes to new hampshire, but this is also a matter of strategy. if you're rick santorum, you want to be able to make a play in those other three states. it's not necessarily all about, i need to quickly make something happen next week, because you have to say, wait a minute, i could potentially be the guy who is the anti-romney. so he focused on iowa. he said, i need to do well here. he's done that. he now can have a longer strategy -- >> but he's not the only guy who wants to be the anti-romney. >> he's not going to be able to -- >> but if perry's 10% tonight --
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>> there's no way he can. he can start fund-raising off of iowa immediately, but he has no apparatus outside of iowa. >> i've got you, but -- >> he's not going to last. the attacks, when they start looking at his record as senator -- >> i understand. >> but we didn't expect him to be where he is tonight. so we can make assumptions, but you still have to play this in terms of long ball. >> when you talk about how the obama white house sees these numbers, as a tea party activist, how do you see this divided field now? >> it's incredibly frustrating. you see a strategy in play here, you see some really good conservative candidates, and it's almost as if you have four or five candidates who are constantly campaigning against romney and what many perceive to be the gop establishment. we had the little dustup going on with virginia and ballot access and that was incredibly frustrating. now you have lawsuits going on on behalf of perry. others are joining in. so it's frustrating as a grassroots activist when you see candidates who embody everything
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that you have protested against for the past three years up in the top tier. when you see one of those candidates, it's great that rick santorum is strong on social, issues. that's what driving him in iowa. >> here's the fundamental truth that's drove this entire republican race for mitt romney. as long as there's a multiple number of candidates in the field, mitt romney divides and conquers. that is the whole issue. if it comes down to one candidate against mitt romney, particularly in south carolina, one candidate could beat him. but i don't see any scenario where it's a one-on-one in south carolina. >> this thing saturday night, this debate, i wouldn't -- i'm not going to miss the saints game, but i'm going to come back and get some snippets of it. this is going to be a big deal, because gingrich is going to be smoking mad, they're going to all be facing each other, and it's going to have some kind of determination. because these people in new hampshire are going to be watching this. by the way, i agree with you, they're going to tear the bark off of santorum when this thing comes down. >> he's got to be a much better
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debater. he debates as a mean, whiney guy, so he's got to improve on that. >> if there's one thing we learned, always talking about mitt romney, how he was not going to do well with social conservatives in iowa. at the end of the day, you run the game. you do not know what's going to happen. we can sit here and say that it will not happen, that's why you stay in, that's why you stay focused. i'm not writing santorum off, saying he can't make it happen. not going to do it. >> people were writing gingrich often -- >> precisely. >> and look what happened then. when we come back, new information coming in about the battle for the votes in western iowa. very important out there. stay with us. why did we build a 556 horsepower luxury car
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all right. three-fourths of all the vote is in. take a look at this, almost 75% of the precincts reporting. 79%, i should say, it just changed. almost 80%. and mitt romney, romney has now taken the lead, barely, 492 votes ahead of rick santorum. they both have 25% of the vote. 24,626 for mitt romney.
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rick santorum, 24,134. ron paul coming in third with 79% of the precincts reporting, 21%, he's got 21,000 votes. newt gingrich is a distant fourth, only 13%, only 13,000 votes. rick perry, about 10%, 10,000 votes. michele bachmann, 5%, about 5,000 votes. jon huntsman at 1% of the votes. let's go to erick and gloria. what's going on over here? you're looking closely at these numbers. santorum was ahead, now slightly, slightly, mitt romney ahead. >> we've been looking as it's flip-flopped around, and each of the leaders and why. now let's look at mitt romney and where his strength is coming from. two things we want to hone in on. we asked people, what's the most important candidate quality, can defeat obama. 31% of the caucusgoers told us that was the most important thing. true conservative, 25%.
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i'm going to tell you right now, those voters went overwhelmingly for ron paul. strong moral character, a quarter of voters said that was most important. and i'll tell you right now, that went overwhelmingly for rick santorum. the right experience, 16%, and that is a really interesting one, also helping romney. we're going to break those down. but best appearence for a president, and this is where you see the romney strength. 37% of caucusgoers say working in government, working in business, 53% say that's the most important thing. so let's flick it over. wasn't looking for the flick, you missed the flick. most people cared about this, and overwhelming. >> this has been romney's key message. he has been saying, i'm the outsider, i've got the business experience, i know how to fix the government. you do not want an insider like, say, newt gingrich was, michele bachmann was, you need somebody or perry this government, you need somebody outside of
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government. santorum was a senator, is no longer. so there you go. >> and 53% of the voters say that that really was the most important -- >> and if romney were to win tonight, that would be the key to his success. >> wolf? my wall had a little problem. >> you know what, we've got new numbers. let's take a look at this. all of a sudden, 88% -- if votes are coming in very quickly. 88% are now in, and look at this. rick santorum taking a slightly 45 votes just ahead of mitt romney, 26,443 to 26,398. they've been going back and forth. but rick santorum, a slight advantage over mitt romney, very slight, about as slight as could be. ron paul, third with 22,728. he's got 21%. newt gingrich is still at 13%. rick perry, 10%. michele bachmann down to 5%. 1% for jon huntsman. but look at how close it is
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between the former pennsylvania senator, rick santorum, the former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, and ron paul, the texas congressman not all that far behind. still 12% of the precincts outstanding. but this is close, close, close. let's take a look at the headquarters of these three candidates right now. romney headquarters, the place is full. believe in america. they're standing there, they're watching tv. if they're hearing me say anything, go ahead and wave to that cnn screen, because i'm waving at you. mitt romney folks over there in the headquarters, take a look at rick santorum headquarters, faith, family, freedom, they're waving over there as well. rick santorum headquarters, they're going to wait and hear from rick santorum. all of these candidates will eventually speak. ron paul, store america now. take a look at this, ron paul headquarters, they've got balloons ready to go. he's coming in, he's running a slight third right now, but let's go back to romney headquarters. they're waving. you know why they're waving? because they're watching us. i'm waving at you guys right now
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as well. the mitt romney folks. this is a close race between mitt romney and rick santorum. we'll hear from them. it's interesting what's going, john. you know, it reminds me of some pretty close contests. somebody just e-mailed me and says, how does it feel that i can't project, that we at cnn can't project a winner after fall -- it feels great, because i love finding out the old-fashioned way. let them count the votes. >> what would you like for breakfast? >> they're coming in pretty quickly right now. >> we can say this with certainty. one word that will not be used by the winner tonight is decisive. there's no one who's going to say they won a decisive iowa victory. look at the map right now. you're seeing this, wolf, 88% of the precincts reporting. remember, we had a lot of open spaces. rick santorum has filled in most of the middle. to go back in time, that was mike huckabee country four years ago. ron paul, though, picking up some of these counties. if rick santorum comes a few votes short tonight, it will be because of ron paul's strength right here.
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can ron paul come back? he's in third place right now. looks like a big leap. one of the most important areas to watch, story county. college campus here. only 2% of the precincts reporting. if you're a ron paul supporter, it's beginning to look a little difficult to win, but let's count the votes. we'll see how that happens here. as i said earlier, in a close race, you look where the votes are. remember, early on, ron paul was leading. polk county, where des moines is, look at that now. dark red. mitt romney, a couple thousand votes, a little short, a thousand votes plus a little bit lead there. that could prove decisive. romney came back in des moines in the suburbs from early in the evening. and wolf, rick, again, 2008, this is romney county, right out here in the western part of the state. right now rick santorum giving him a run for his money. we talked about woodbury county earlier, this is the largest county in the western part of the state. about 60% of the precincts in. we don't know whether there are bigger precincts out or not. we'll watch as this one plays out. now, what you have right now, the projection, the turnout, we talked about the intensity gap. the projection is we'll get
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about 120 to 125,000 voters tonight. 118,000, 119,000 four years ago. so a slight uptick for the republicans. is that enough to say we have high turnout, we have a big intensity gap this time? many democrats will say no, many republicans will say, it's an improvement. one other point i want talk about. if we have a close race, i want to look at candidate visits. let's close this down, take away the graphics. this is rick santorum, he visited all 99 counties. look at him out in the western part of the state that mitt romney carried four years ago. let's look at mitt romney, he visited this area the least. of the candidates who visited iowa in this cycle, it was romney the least. santorum tonight is going to claim doing it the old-fashioned bay has helped. if you close this down and just come back and look, we're filling in the map at 88%. wow. just wow. and we're going to look at who's left. you look at these open counties,
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there's no votes here, tiny counties. they could make a difference. in a very close race, they could make difference. a lot of people raare asking on twitter, who's green? green's a tie. a very, very small county there. this part of the state still likely to prove decisive. >> there's no doubt that mitt romney, rick santorum, and ron paul are all heading to new hampshire next week. john hupn huntsman's already th. but rick perry, michele bachmann, and newt gingrich, what are they doing? >> all said they're moving on. newt gingrich has already bought an advertisement in the "new hampshire union leader" tomorrow, a sharp contrast, a tough contrast with governor romney. he's mad. they thinks the romney pac attacked him unfairly out here. he's going to carry on for at least one more state. governor perry is not going to new hampshire. if he falls into single digits,
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everything could be reconsidered. he says he's staying in. she says she's staying in. this is the biggest disappointment of the night. we'll have to watch whether michele bachmann stays in much longer. >> john, stand by. we'll take a quick break. these numbers are changing very, very rapidly. the official count is coming in. there's only a few precincts left out there. we're taking a closer look. stay with us, because we should have some answers fairly soon.
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let me update you right now on what's going on. these are official votes, because 88% of the precincts have now reported. and look at how close it is. rick santorum, look at this, he's 13 votes ahead of mitt romney, 26,552 to 26,539. both 25%. ron paul is coming in a distant third. not necessarily a distant third, but a significant third, 22,821, with 21%. newt gingrich, esi should say, a distant fourth, 13%, 14,300 or so. rick perry, he's 10% with 11,100. michele bachmann, 5,500, only 5%.
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jon huntsman, 1%. those are the official numbers with 88% of the precincts reporting. all right. we can make a projection, a projection of sort, not necessarily the kind of projection we normally make, but cnn now projects who will come in third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh. we can't project who comes in first or second, because you saw how close it is between santorum and romney. but we do project here at cnn that ron paul will come in third, newt gingrich will come in fourth, rick perry will come in fifth, michele bachmann will come in sixth, and jon huntsman in iowa will come in seventh. we can't project who wins or who comes in second, because it is about as close as possible with 88% of the precincts reporting. anderson cooper is standing by. anderson, this is a tight race. >> it certainly is. we didn't think we would go this long. you say, either way, it's not a bad night for romney, ari?
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>> i think you have to give mitt romney credit. mitt romney did not run hard in iowa, didn't play in the straw poll. he came in late when he saw the opening. and he may finish first tonight. mitt romney, being a mormon, it was said he couldn't do well in a state that was 60% evangelical. i think you've got to give him credit. he's been a good debater, he's been solid, he's been steady. i think he's showing if he is the nominee, he's got the ability to do things well and do things right against barack obama, and for republicans, that means a lot. so no matter who wins, whether it's santorum or romney, i think you've got to give romney credit. >> james? >> i'll politely but vehemently disagree. the guy spent more money than anybody else, that thing with attacking gingrich, you take all that money -- t >> the super pac? >> he was front-runner the whole way, got 25% of the vote, which was the same thing he got i